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JoeWho
05-28-2015, 09:55 PM
I play a 7 string bass through Line 6's Pod Farm to get all kinds of sounds. Is there a way to control the synths in Reason using my bass instead of a keyboard?

Matt
05-28-2015, 10:38 PM
The only way to input midi from your Bass would be to put a midi pickup on it. Just search on Google for Midi Bass Pickups also here is a link to a page. (http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/GK3B?adpos=1o1&creative=54989262241&device=c&matchtype=&network=g&gclid=CjwKEAjw-ZqrBRDt_KjhjcbzhhISJAAlRGvlPzQ-HM5NROo_S0JQ2X4UsrzdYKH9ed27zSr70BWJGhoCQdTw_wcB) Here is more info on it (http://roland.com/V-Guitar/about.html).

JoeWho
05-30-2015, 02:48 AM
Thanks. I new you would have to do that if you were hooking up to an outboard synth but wondrred if somehow the software in the program could do it as well.

Matt
05-30-2015, 02:08 PM
Reason can but you need a pickup that can interpret the signal like the Fishman TriplePlay but it's just for Guitar only. I find it hard to believe there is not anything for a Bass or that you or I can not find it?

vocoderboy
05-30-2015, 10:16 PM
no no no. i can use the Neptune as a CV source to control synths. its not very accurate but it does work as both a gate and pitch converter. i have the patches to share.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dj9w9gsixplbp7/Near.cmb?dl=0
try that

Matt
05-30-2015, 11:11 PM
no no no. i can use the Neptune as a CV source to control synths. its not very accurate but it does work as both a gate and pitch converter. i have the patches to share.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9dj9w9gsixplbp7/Near.cmb?dl=0
try that

Thanks for sharing the patches but I think he wants to control the synths with his Bass.

vocoderboy
05-31-2015, 01:04 AM
thats the basic patch i use to control synths with my guitar

Osmose
05-31-2015, 08:49 AM
Thats a clever solution.. another reason, to love reason

Matt
05-31-2015, 12:39 PM
thats the basic patch i use to control synths with my guitar


Ok I understand, I am going to try it with my Bass today and get back to you on how it works.

vocoderboy
05-31-2015, 02:19 PM
you kinda need to watch out as it doesn't handle the bass frequencies very well but it does work.

Osmose
05-31-2015, 04:16 PM
You could try to filter out the subbiness if you dont need them in a sound source (due to the overtones), or if you do, do so in a parallel channel. Also turning on "wide vibrato" might help i think

Matt
05-31-2015, 04:28 PM
Well I tried it and did some tweaking but at most it really is just more of an effect and not a note for note midi triggering a synth note which I think the OP is after. I will say it is a cool Combi though :D

vocoderboy
05-31-2015, 08:08 PM
try it with other synths.
i think i may have an auto vocoder version of it too

vocoderboy
05-31-2015, 08:10 PM
there maybe a way with just thor too but i haven't been able to make it work

Osmose
05-31-2015, 11:08 PM
a proper midi signal is a proper midi signal. If it doesnt work with one synth, it cant work with the other right?
But did you try extreme pitch correcting setings?

vocoderboy
05-31-2015, 11:22 PM
yeah i've played around with the correction setting on the neptune
but different synths and patches can sound drastically different(obvsly)
in relation to the thor, it has an audio in and the ability to turn audio to gate info just not pitch info.
that patch i posted earlier was possibly the 3rd attempt i've refined it a bit since then.

Osmose
06-01-2015, 03:24 PM
Mm thnk it gotta check out your patch then, to exactly know its been set up and how if function. Just dont have acces to my other pc yet.

JoeWho
06-26-2015, 02:40 AM
Ok. Dumbest of questions-I plug my bass into a Line6 Toneport which then plugs into a usb port on my laptop. Assuming I found a way to trigger the synths with my bass, or even if I decide to use a keyboard controller, where or how does that connect to the laptop?

Osmose
06-26-2015, 10:53 AM
In relation to the start fo the topic; you dont nescesarily trigger your synths with your bass, its the (in theorie) incoming audio signal that is converted by neptune/ thor combi to a midi clear midi signa that you can route to other sytnhs.

A plain keyboard however will jsut plug into your usb port; Reason should recognize it and your ready to go.

Runcell
06-27-2015, 08:22 AM
I'm pretty sure it can be done using Thor's matrix.. I don't play guitar, so it's not something I've tried.

I'll give it a go tonight (using a Subtractor cv out) to trigger midi notes on Thor. Will report back later.

vocoderboy
06-27-2015, 06:07 PM
it has to be the audio out creating both a gate cv and pitch cv

Runcell
06-27-2015, 10:24 PM
thanks @vocoderboy, going to give it a try soon, as I've just got home

Runcell
06-28-2015, 11:11 AM
Had a quick play about this morning (didn't get a chance last night) and I did sort of get it working but I need to spend more time trying to perfect it, as it's a bit noisy especially with the synth attack at zero. THiS how I did it - I created an octoRex in place of a real guitar a Thor to convert the audio to cv/gate and a Malstrom to be our new guitar sound.

I plugged Rex (playing a guitar loop) L&R out to Thor audio in 1&2

Then plugged Thor's cv out 1 to Malstrom's seq control GATE - and cv out 2 to Malstrom's seq control CV

Then using Thor's matrix set first source to Audio In1 - amount to 50 - scale to MIDINote and amount to 31. (Some experimentation scope here with MIDINote/LastNote and amount)

With Thor's matrix again set the second Source to AudioIn2 - amount to 50 - Scale was set to LastGate and amount (worked best at) zero !

Now when the Rex plays you should be getting something sounding from the Malstrom.!! Maybe not quite what you expect but it's a quick experiment. And in all honesty, I not too sure it can be done now ! But let's try.. Maybe one of you can take this further and perfect it..

Also try different Malstrom sounds, try different amounts on Thor's matrix.. Lots of scope for experimenting.

vocoderboy
06-28-2015, 01:59 PM
box it up in combi please.

Osmose
06-28-2015, 06:42 PM
Mm, im gonna give a go at this as well. Might find something really interessting to work with. Maybe i'll do so this evening

Osmose
06-29-2015, 12:07 AM
Couldn't get it working either..

Runcell
07-06-2015, 05:44 PM
In theory it shouldn't work.. Because cv/gate operates at +/- 5 volts.. And audio at 0dBV (consumer equipment) is 1 volt. But this is a virtual floating point world.

I feel it's possible for a developer to create a unit capable of taking an audio input and converting it to cv/gate info.!

Osmose
07-07-2015, 09:40 AM
Ye it would be a nice Re indeed!

But indeed, it should work in theory... I was just thinking, maybe it will work when converting audio to unipolar, but i guess cv works in biploar as well?

I'll give it another go with just some clean oscilator signals like a slow sine wave

Runcell
07-07-2015, 10:37 AM
But indeed, it should work in theory...

No, sorry Osmose.. In theory it should not work

Because, playing your guitar at 0vu will be equal to 1volt.. Control voltage requires the voltage to be 10volts - for example 1volt = C1 - 2volts = C2 etc..

Therefore the voltage produced in audio electronics (0dBV=1volt) is a tenth of what is required for accurate CV (pitch). That is in the real world but anyway hope that make sense.

- GATE is like trigger note (analogs note on/off).

Edit- The polarity switch will turn a +/- 5volt line (bipolar) into +10volt single line. Both still operate with 10volts.

Osmose
07-07-2015, 11:28 PM
mm, some food for thought then.

My guessing is that its probably emulated in Reason, since they tend to like doing so.

Runcell
07-07-2015, 11:58 PM
Sorry mate, I'm not trying to be the big 'I am know it all' and I'm not out to prove anyone wrong or blind you with big words.. CV and GATE is something I've had hands on experience with in the real world as well as using it in Reason for quite a while !

Well worth reading up on mate :)

Osmose
07-08-2015, 12:52 PM
Aah no worries ;) Im not annoyed by any means! In fact, that what you know, should be shared regardless of how someone percieves the messenger