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FreSchProductions
01-17-2015, 11:49 AM
Hey Everyone,
I wonder if Rack Extensions cause latency when being used. Especially because there are some free ones that would improve my workflow like the Polymodular Audio Merger/Splitter by blamesoft.
At the moment i am using the Spider audio Merger/Splitter because it works just fine and i am more confident using it concerning latency.
Do Rack Extensions automatically cause latency? Or maybe just some of them?
Thanks for reading :)
FreSchProductions

vocoderboy
01-17-2015, 01:30 PM
i would guess the the higher the demands made on you computer the higher the risk of latency.

FreSchProductions
01-17-2015, 01:45 PM
I think that makes sense. I wouldnt mind some global latency (like a 4 ms delay on the whole project). I am just afraid that individual channels are delayed.

Matt
01-17-2015, 03:08 PM
I would agree with VB but also add that in order for a developer to have a RE in the Shop it has to meet their requirements which I assume are very hi and they are always looking to better them. I never have had any latency problems in Reason using any RE's. Also The computer has to be taken into consideration and lastly people tend to have tons of tracks going and not think to convert some of them to Audio so as to easy up on the CPU.

FreSchProductions
01-17-2015, 03:33 PM
Thank you both for your answers. :)
I guess i will just have to trust my ears and when something sounds off consider bouncing it to audio.

vocoderboy
01-17-2015, 04:00 PM
bouncing to audio means more scope time stretching which is a good thing. :P

FreSchProductions
01-17-2015, 04:13 PM
Definitely! I just tend to change every sound until the very end so bouncing to audio wont work for me most of the time..

vocoderboy
01-17-2015, 04:16 PM
that is always the temptation, to see a knob is to tweak a knob. said the actress to the bishop.

Matt
01-19-2015, 06:28 AM
Definitely! I just tend to change every sound until the very end so bouncing to audio wont work for me most of the time..

I hear you...have you ever thought how they did it back when all there was was Tape?

FreSchProductions
01-19-2015, 10:32 AM
I did. And i am pretty sure that back then i would not have made music. Its the possibility to make everything i want with a 350$ program, instead of expensive hardware, mastering engineers, a band, that got me started in the first place... I don`t even have to play an instrument very well. I got infinite takes and if that still doesn`t work i can just draw/edit the midi notes until they sound perfect. I can play around with every element of my track without having to worry about losing something. In the worst case i just go to my backup file and start all over again. There are so many possibilities nowadays its not comparable to the time before everything went digital. And even though you can sit down with a mic and a guitar and record a song in a few takes thats not my way to approach this (Maybe because i can`t play the guitar). I like to get very "nerdy" about things like latency, sound design and other things. And i am glad that Reason allows me to.

Osmose
01-22-2015, 10:48 PM
Well every device causes a bit of latency, the amount of latency differs per device though. But as long as you don't have 2 identical sounds of which one is delayed, you won't notice it (since 99,9 percent of device usage add change to the sound).

But for fun you could split an audio signal, run 1 trough 20 eq's and the other one straight to the mixer and hear it's effect :p

brandtkalk
05-17-2015, 06:09 PM
for the RE latency , there is a little utilies RE verry usefull and not expensive
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/vmg-01-sample-delay/ for only 12
you can check all you FX RE with it and make the compensation.
I checked a lot of Re Fx and one thing to know is the propellerhead RE have no latency.
but some EFFECTS OF THIRD have latency
here is diferents mesures in samples delay at 16bits/ 44.1khrtz
Neptune have varations between 840 and 1040 samples
Polar 2561 samples
Rotor 17/ 75 samples

brandtkalk
05-17-2015, 06:15 PM
argggl
I made the complet list with all RE latency
but that have not been saved.
too long to restart now,
certainly in few hours.
Sorry for that

brandtkalk
05-17-2015, 10:49 PM
Pulveriser 0 latency
alligator 0 latency
scream 0 latency
BV 512 variable latency
neptune variable latency
line 6 gtr 0 latency
line 6 bass 0 latency
EQ Mclass 0 latency
compressor Mclass 0 latency
limiteur Mclass 0 latency
stereo imager 0 latency
D11 0 latency
ECF 42 15samples latency
COMP-01 0 latency
PEQ-2 0 latency
AUDIOMATIC 0 latency
POLAR 2561 samples latency
ROTOR variable latency
SOFTUBE AMP GTR 8 smaples latency
SOFTUBE AMP bass 8 samples latency
SYNCHRONOUS 0 latency
MUTAGEN 0 latency
PANDEMIC variable latency
ROUGHRIDER 0 latency
STRONTIUM 0 latency
DC-1 0 latency
DC-9 0 latency
F16 0 latency
MARCK VIII 0 latency
RESAMPLER BITCRUSHER variable latency
T00B 3 samples latency
RE-2A 0 latency
DQ BAND DYNAMICS PROCESSOR 0 latency
GET LAYED 0 latency
DYNARAGE 0 latency
HM1 548 samples latency
REVOLUTION VIRTUAL SURROUND 559 samples latency
4DYNE 0 latency
BUSCOMP 4 samples latency
CHANCOMP 4 samples latency
ENVSHAPER 4 samples latency
ETCH RED variable latency
GCLIP 0 latency (oversampling 0)
ONYX 430I 0 latency (2.9 milliseconds (with ISP))
TITAN 410X 0 latency
OZONE MAXIMIZER 721 samples latency
ITSY 0 latency
FATURATOR 38 samples latency
CREME 21 smaples latency
VERMILION 19 samples latency
CERBERUS 20 samples latency
EVE AT1 0 latency
EVE AT4 0 latency
EVE MP5 2 samples latency
BATTLE-AXE variable latency
BLACK KNIGHT 0 latency
RED QUEEN 0 latency
REQ131 0 latency
D-FILTER variable latency
PHONETIC 5 samples latency
C670 0 latency
E 670 0 latency
FRG-4RE 0 latency
FRG-EEE 0latency
MOO Q 0 latency
MOO TUBE 0 latency
BASS TILT FILTER variable latency
MIDRANGE TILT FILTER variable latency
TREBEL TILT FILTER variable latency
CARVE 0 latency
GLITCH variable latency
REPEAT ???
STEREO SPLITTER 0 latency
C1-L1 0 latency
RE 200 0 latency
RE 202 0 latency
RE 302 0 latency
RPDistort variable latency
SELIG DeESSER 0 latency
SELIG GAIN 0 latency
SELIG LEVELER 0 latency
FET COMPRESSION 4 samples latency
SATURATION KNOB 4 samples latency
TRIDENT A 4 samples latency
CLASSIC CHANNEL 4 samples latency
VALLEY PEOPLE 4 samples latency
BITSPEEK variable latency
ECHOBODE variable latency
GSX variable latency
TRITONE variable latency
FILTER PATTERN variable latency
SLICE ARRANGER ???
SPECTRALISER variable latency
VINYLIZER variable latency
VOCODIZER variable latency
AF-4 variable latency
GQ7 variable latency
RM-1 0 latency
VE-3 0 latency
DISTORT CHAIN variable latency
MR OVERDRIVE 0 latency
T2 PHASER 0 latency
DIGITAL FILTER variable latency
RUNCITER variable latency
UHBIK-Q 3 sample latency
G8 GATE 0 latency
YOKO BAND-SPLITTER variable latency
DRAGON GATE 0 latency
RELIGHT 0 latency

Osmose
05-18-2015, 05:50 AM
Wauw, that's quite a bit of effort. Hats off to you sir!

Matt
05-18-2015, 03:35 PM
Holy cow! Great effort and thanks for sharing.

FreSchProductions
05-18-2015, 08:45 PM
Now THATS what i wanted to know when i started the thread. Thank you so much! :)

brandtkalk
05-19-2015, 04:34 AM
it is not absolutely fair, but it gives an idea
all FX with delay like chorus flanger reverb are naturaly latenced. and some of the fx in the liste are not verry well tested.
that show how it's important to buy https://shop.propellerheads.se/produ...-sample-delay/ (https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/vmg-01-sample-delay/) for only 12 €
this utilitary is very usefull for latency compensation
and Titus is able to do the same with the more litle delay at 0.01ms
https://shop.propellerheads.se/product/titus-bbd-delay-line/

Dan Topic
08-02-2015, 07:01 PM
Great job brandtkalk!

Dan Topic
08-02-2015, 07:13 PM
Interesting article from Hydlide:

http://www.reasonexperts.com/reason-rack/rack-extensions/DSP-Impact-of-Rack-Extension-effects.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reasonexperts%2Flatest+%28rea sonexperts.com+a+reason+tutorial+site%29

brandtkalk
08-02-2015, 07:29 PM
thx to you and to mr Hydlide :)

george4tape
09-21-2015, 05:42 PM
Hey Everyone,
I wonder if Rack Extensions cause latency when being used. Especially because there are some free ones that would improve my workflow like the Polymodular Audio Merger/Splitter by blamesoft.
At the moment i am using the Spider audio Merger/Splitter because it works just fine and i am more confident using it concerning latency.
Do Rack Extensions automatically cause latency? Or maybe just some of them?
Thanks for reading :)
FreSchProductions

Hi one big offender to latency is Neptune, even if you bounce this to another track the latency is apparent, if you zoom in on the original track and place the bounced just below you will see the bounced track is delayed compared to the original, so i always slide the bounced track back and line it up with original track. there is a sample delay measuring RE called VMG 01 sample delay,
it would be nice if it gave the measurement in track clip position rather than in samples, then you could adjust the track and slide the clip back accordingly.

Osmose
09-21-2015, 06:15 PM
Ye that would be nice. But i believe you can simply calculate the amount of the delay in ms according to the sample rate your using.

By the way, i think there is a topic on this forum were virtually every device has his latency listed. I just cant find it.

brandtkalk
09-21-2015, 06:17 PM
Ye that would be nice. But i believe you can simply calculate the amount of the delay in ms according to the sample rate your using.

By the way, i think there is a topic on this forum were virtually every device has his latency listed. I just cant find it.
http://www.reasonexperts.com/reason-...torial+site%29 (http://www.reasonexperts.com/reason-rack/rack-extensions/DSP-Impact-of-Rack-Extension-effects.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+reasonexperts%2Flatest+%28rea sonexperts.com+a+reason+tutorial+site%29)